I’d written this sort of long letter about why I wanted her to be on the podcast, and she wrote back and said, “Sure.” One word, “Sure.” Actually, no, there was more than one word. So I reached out to her through her website and she got back to me. But at the time, I thought, “Well, I think I’ll invite her to be on the podcast,” because I have a podcast and I interview amazing people on the podcast, and she is an amazing person. But it was like love from a distance because I didn’t know her at all. I felt that somehow she had gotten into my head without even knowing me and described my soul. I want to know the love story.ĭM: So I sort of fell in love with Roxane while I was reading Hunger, and it was mostly because I felt like she was writing my own story in so many ways.
#HUNGER ROXANE GAY EXCEPRT PROFESSIONAL#
It’s going to be the most bizarre set of questions that you’ve probably ever heard because I started to try to find a professional arc and then I was like, “No, no, no, I have to know these things from these folks.” So, first big question.
Enjoy.īB: Let me just start by saying that this is the kind of moment where I go, “Holy shit, I get to do this as part of my job.”īB: No. I’m excited for you to hear my conversation. She edited Not That Bad: Dispatches From Rape Culture, The Selected Works of Audre Lorde, and The Best American Fiction 2018, and she has several projects that are coming out that we’re going to talk about. She is the author of many books, Bad Feminist, Difficult Women, Hunger, and - for Marvel - she wrote World of Wakanda.
She’s a contributing opinion writer for the New York Times where she also writes the Work Friend column. Her writing appears in many publications, including Harper’s Bazaar, Virginia Quarterly Review, McSweeney’s, Town & Country, A Public Space and many others. Roxane Gay is a writer, editor, cultural critic, and she co-hosts a podcast called Hear to Slay, which - if you have not listened to it - is incredible. Debbie’s worked on the design and strategy of over 200 of the world’s biggest brands, and she’s currently Chair of the Board of Directors for Law & Order: SVU actor and activist Mariska Hargitay’s Joyful Heart Foundation. She is the Editorial Director of Print Magazine, and the author of six books on design and branding. Can you imagine? She’s also co-founder and chair of the world’s first graduate program in branding at the School of Visual Arts.īB: She is the Editorial Director of Print Magazine, and the author of six books on design and branding. Like I mentioned before, it’s one of the first and longest-running podcasts in the world, celebrating her 16th anniversary of this podcast.
So Debbie Millman is a designer, and she’s an author, educator, and host of the award-winning podcast Design Matters.
#HUNGER ROXANE GAY EXCEPRT FULL#
So, before we get started, let me give you some full information on Debbie and Roxane. I can’t wait for you to hear the conversation. Debbie and Roxane’s work has been really important in my life, and to get to know who they are as people, to know how they fell in love, to know who they are as a couple, to talk about the ins and outs of ordinary life is in itself extraordinary.
We’re talking about the power of a dinner party. We’re talking about their love story, which involves everything from amazing rom-com moments to cringey first new love and waiting and not knowing when to push and when to ask.īB: We’re talking about creativity and this kind of relentless need to make space and time to create and do what you love in your life, and how saying yes to things that you don’t want to do - but you’re afraid to say no to because you’re afraid people will either stop asking or that you’ll disappoint people - get in the way of a really wholehearted, purpose-driven life. Roxane and Debbie are married and we are talking about love. Roxane is a writer, editor, cultural critic, and co-host of the podcast Hear to Slay. I am talking with Debbie about her work, and I am talking with Roxane Gay. Debbie Millman is a designer, author, educator, and the host of the award-winning podcast Design Matters, which is one of the first and longest-running podcasts in the world. And I am so excited about this conversation. I’m Brené Brown, and this is Unlocking Us.īB: You know, some days I just think to myself, “Do you really get to do this for a living? Do you really get to talk to all these incredible teachers and creators, and learn from them and learn about them?” And the answer is, “Oh hell, yes, this is what I get to do and I am so grateful.” The best way to honor the fact that this is what I get to do is just be deeply grateful for it every day, and I am deeply grateful.